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  I Know A MS That Just Got Reappointed As An Elder After 5 Years And Still Thinks He's Not Qualified

  by minimus in

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  he's a very good man and recognizes his limitations.

  he still dislikes field service and considers himself inferior to the other elders.

  he has almost no contact with his disfellowshipped older son.

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  From your description, Min, I wonder if he is not a potential suicide.
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  Another pedophile law suit... Las Lunas Congo in Albuquerque NM

  by Calebs Airplane in

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  woman sues los lunas jehovahs witnesses, claims sex abuseabqnews seeker .

  .entry-header by clara garcia/valencia county news-bulletin | 10 hours ago .entry-meta posted: 5:42 amlos lunas a former member of the los lunas congregation of jehovahs witnesses is suing the church, claiming she was molested by a former elder.. monica lynn jaramillo, 35, through her attorneys, terrence revo and irwin zalkin, filed a complaint for damages aug. 12 in the 13th judicial district court.

  also named as defendants in the case is watchtower bible and tract society of new york, which oversees the church, and a former elder, who has not been charged with a crime.. attempts to reach the jehovahs witnesses kingdom hall in los lunas for comment were unsuccessful before the news-bulletin deadline.. according to the civil lawsuit, jaramillo allegedly was sexually abused as a child by the elder, who had served as a ministerial servant and an elder, which are leadership positions in the congregation.

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  "The lawsuit says the church’s elders told her that to be appointed as a regular pioneer of the church, she would have to prove to the elders that she had forgiven him for raping her. She was instructed by the elders of Los Lunas that she should demonstrate her forgiveness by hosting … (the elder) and his family in their home, and by permitting her children to spend time, including nights, at … his home under (his) supervision,”

  Note that the Elders are not saying the rape didn't happen, they're saying that this sister must demonstrate SUBMISSION by now putting her own daughters at risk! WTF is wrong with these idiots? They are mentally diseased!
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  San Diego are you awake?

  by nicsfreedom in

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  currently we need 50+ people to reserve a seat for the sd premier of "truth be told".

  invite anyone you know and please inform them to go through the tugg site below to ensure the event will happen.. http://www.tugg.com/events/5192.

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  The precision with which the "Truth Be Told" campaign has been conducted has been impressive: it's like a well-oiled rock.

  Take this thread for instance. No details.

  No answers to the essential questions

  who

  what

  WHERE

  WHEN

  how

  why

  I tried to contact the man behind the movie. No contact information for him is available anywhere on the internet, so I write to one of the 3 or 4 websites involved in promoting TBT and request contact. No relpy. Does he have a staff or is it all entourage and groupies?

  I can think of three XJW movie projects that I have heard of in the past couple of years that have been express trains to NOWHERE.

  TBT is yet another object lesson in how to run a failed campaign.

  Good work! NOT!
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  Simple Signs That Cause Jehovah's Witnesses To Lose Morale (Faith In The Governing Body Corporation Kings)

  by frankiespeakin in

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  a good way to get the jws doubting corporation leadership, is lower their morale in the governing body.

  pointing out their stupidity, authoritarianism, delusions of grandure, and the depts of their wishful thinking bias done in such a way to overide watchtower inplanted prejudice.. highlighting the phobias they have of apostates, their attitude toward children as nothing more that corporation free labor denying them education and handing them over to pedofiles in the congregation be they elders or microphone handlelers.. signs about doctrinal issues are a waste of time but i can't deny that some may benifit but that's just getting them out of one cult and making them pray for another.

  anyway the bible is too full of shit to argue doctrine, much better to stay away from it and proceed to spend more time get oneself free from that residual mind control you're still clinging to that's based in the bible.. what are your ideas?.

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  frankiespeakin, LOL!
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  Simple Signs That Cause Jehovah's Witnesses To Lose Morale (Faith In The Governing Body Corporation Kings)

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a good way to get the jws doubting corporation leadership, is lower their morale in the governing body.

  pointing out their stupidity, authoritarianism, delusions of grandure, and the depts of their wishful thinking bias done in such a way to overide watchtower inplanted prejudice.. highlighting the phobias they have of apostates, their attitude toward children as nothing more that corporation free labor denying them education and handing them over to pedofiles in the congregation be they elders or microphone handlelers.. signs about doctrinal issues are a waste of time but i can't deny that some may benifit but that's just getting them out of one cult and making them pray for another.

  anyway the bible is too full of shit to argue doctrine, much better to stay away from it and proceed to spend more time get oneself free from that residual mind control you're still clinging to that's based in the bible.. what are your ideas?.

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  AngusOg (a poster here) in his new book "Quitting The Watchtower," suggests asking this question:

  How, exactly, does God's Channel work?

  I would add a line:

  How, exactly, does God's Channel work?

  YOU DON'T KNOW!

  or maybe I should simplify that to:

  You don't know how "God's Channel" works!
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  Do you or yours have heart disease?

  by compound complex in

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  2. medical

  we are growing older and have developed illnesses we never imagined would touch us.

  if you (or a family member or acquaintance) have been diagnosed with heart disease .

  1) what was your reaction to the diagnosis?

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  Like Englishman, I inherited mitral valve prolapse and its accompanying a-fib*. My valve was repaired - reinforced with a plastc ring, and the a-fib took two sessions of catheter ablation to finally clear (after the first cath on the left nodes I was left with an a-flutter - better than a-fib but not normal) the second catheter ablation was on the right side, and that did the trick). Unlike Englishman, I am still fairly sedentary.

  *I was also diagnosed with sleep apnea. I havn't used my CPAP since I came home from the hosital following my heart surgery. If YOU have sleep apnea - periodic cessation of breathing while you are asleep, PLEASE seek treatment of the apnea (a CPAP) and, if you can, go further to get the underlying cause of the apnea resolved. DO NOT rely on what your CPAP techs and their RNs tell you; they have a vested interest in keeping you on CPAP - they SELL YOU continuing supplies and service. I asked the RN I was working with if she ever had someone recover to the point of not needing the CPAP any longer and she said no. To me the goal of medicine is RECOVERY (healing) not maintaining the status quo. You have to participate in your healing by being your own best medical advocate.
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  Is The WTS Building Beth Sarim 2 ?

  by metatron in

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  i continue to puzzle over the future direction the watchtower is taking.

  it seems very strange.. let's review: they are selling everything off in brooklyn, raking in huge sums from that real estate and building heavily in a fairly isolated part of upstate ny.. why?.

  it may be classified as a country club (legally).

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  Thanks to Google maps I was able to take a virtual stroll down the main road in Loch Sheldrake, and it has a kind of post-apocalyptic "Walking Dead" (TV series) look to it, and there was a synagog, right on the main drag! Did these folks bring a casket-full of their native soil with them when they moved there?
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  Is The WTS Building Beth Sarim 2 ?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
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  i continue to puzzle over the future direction the watchtower is taking.

  it seems very strange.. let's review: they are selling everything off in brooklyn, raking in huge sums from that real estate and building heavily in a fairly isolated part of upstate ny.. why?.

  it may be classified as a country club (legally).

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  I didn't know there were Hassidic communities in "upstate" NY. (I'm a native NuYawka.)

  These guys concern me more: http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/04/05/militant-muslims-at-islamville-ny-are-rebranding/

  But most of the GB don't go door-to-door, and bethelites can buy a dispensation because they serve god with every breath. (Right?)

  The comment by Jim_TX about isolating the bethel boys is an interesting one - anyone in any NYC congregation has heard the stories about the various recreational difficulties some of the boys have gotten into. Will the WTB&TS be raising their own sheep? I hear wedding bells!
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  Funny demon conversation

  by problemaddict in

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  minimus inspired me to recall a crazy conversation i had with a houseguest at my home while i was one of jw's and even serving.

  i had a houseguest say that she couldn't sleep all night, and then she found a birthday card in her friends room that someone at work gave her innocently enough.

  she burned it and said she could finally sleep.. i asked her if she knew how long ago her friends birthday was?

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  Laika said, "... She insisted that her mother was at the meeting when it happened."

  This *might* be evidence of hypnotic suggestion. Seriously.

  PS - I like your nom-de-net, Laika. Most today don't know that Laika (Russian meaning "Barker"; c. 1954 – November 3, 1957) was a Soviet space dog who became one of the first animals in space, and the first animal to orbit the Earth. Woof, puppy!
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  Candice Conti

  by zound in

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  watchtowers brief due today?.

  can anyone explain to me how to get the briefs from the californian court website?

  i need to direct a jw to the website to get the breifs but not really sure how to get them myself.. .

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  One of those legal database might be "Lexis/Nexis" L/N has a lower-cost option suited to SERIOUS individuals (what I mean is serious enough to be willing to pay a small fee. Anyone who expects roasted pigeons to fly into into their mouths (e.g. everything is free) is SOL, and deservedly so.

  Go to http://www.lexis.com and look at "credit card access".